[TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Post-quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 07 October 2025 14:52 UTC

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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2025 07:51:50 -0700
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Subject: [TLS] Re: Working Group Last Call for Post-quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3
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I have reviewed this document and I think it is ready to go with
one exception, namely the Recommended column.

The RFC 8447 standard for "Recommended=Y" is:

   Per this document, a "Recommended" column has been added to many of
   the TLS registries to indicate parameters that are generally
   recommended for implementations to support.

I think there's a general expectation that we want people to
implement and deploy these algorithms, and I would expect
that the X25519 and P-256 versions to be widely deployed,
at least on the Web. Therefore, I think we should mark all of
these as Recommended=Y. I note that this would require
advancing this document as Proposed Standard. We should do
that as well.

-Ekr




On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 6:47 AM Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net> wrote:

> This is the working group last call for Post-quantum hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM
> Key Agreement for TLSv1.3. Please review draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-mlkem [1] and
> reply to this thread indicating if you think it is ready for publication or
> not.  If you do not think it is ready please indicate why.  This call will
> end on October 22, 2025.
>
> Please note that during the WG adoption call, Dan Bernstein pointed out
> some potential IPR (see [2]), but no IPR disclosure has been made in
> accordance with BCP 79.  Additional information is provided here; see [3].
>
> BCP 79 makes this important point:
>
>  (b) The IETF, following normal processes, can decide to use
>    technology for which IPR disclosures have been made if it decides
>    that such a use is warranted.
>
> WG members can take this information into account during the working group
> last call.
>
> Reminder:  This working group last call has nothing to do with picking the
> mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe & Sean
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-ecdhe-mlkem/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/mt4_p95NZv8duZIJvJPdZV90-ZU/
> [3]
> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/GKFhHfBeCgf8hQQvhUcyOJ6M-kI/
>
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