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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2024 22:52:58 -0000 --000000000000a1991f06137e8469 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:45=E2=80=AFPM Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 12/03/2024 22:06, Eric Rescorla wrote: > > I don't think we should make statements about regulatory requirements > > in this kind of specification. That's not our lane. > > I'd weakly disagree about making statements such as suggested, > while agreeing with "not out lane." I don't think the text I > suggested crosses that line, but it's fine if others disagree > of course. > > I'd also be ok if we only stated that emitting these logs in > production systems means not deploying state of the art security > and letting the rest of the world connect the dots. > Lots of things don't constitute not deploying state of the art security, including, arguable, not using PQ algorithms. I think we should be very clear about the technical consequences of implementing this specification in the Security Considerations (which I think they are) but that either this statement or the one you previously proposed is not helpful. -Ekr > > Cheers, > S. > > PS: to be clear, I'm not objecting to progression if my > suggestion isn't adopted. > --000000000000a1991f06137e8469 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Tue, Mar 12, 2024 at 3:45=E2=80=AF= PM Stephen Farrell <stephen= .farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:


On 12/03/2024 22:06, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> I don't think we should make statements about regulatory requireme= nts
> in this kind of specification. That's not our lane.

I'd weakly disagree about making statements such as suggested,
while agreeing with "not out lane." I don't think the text I<= br> suggested crosses that line, but it's fine if others disagree
of course.

Cheers,
S.

PS: to be clear, I'm not objecting to progression if my
suggestion isn't adopted.
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