[TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sat, 08 July 2017 09:17 UTC

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Subject: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
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Sean/Joe,

This is a request that you, as chairs, shut down the distracting
wiretapping discussion, at least until DTLS1.3 is done.

I have planned to spend time reading draft 21 and DTLS, but that
won't happen if we keep having to fight off the latest attempts
to break TLS. I'd not be surprised if I weren't the only one
finding that distraction an irritating waste of time. Finishing
TLS1.3 and getting DTLS1.3 on the way surely needs to not be
constantly de-railed by these attempts to break TLS.

Therefore I'd ask that you declare this discussion closed for at
least that long (i.e until DTLS1.3 is done).

I'd also ask that you not allocate agenda time for wiretapping
in Prague.

Thanks,
S.