Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process
Bill Frantz <frantz@pwpconsult.com> Sun, 30 March 2014 03:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process
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On 3/29/14 at 6:57 PM, dharkins@lounge.org (Dan Harkins) wrote: >See /etc/services. Basically, everything that uses the transport layer >should be able to use transport layer security if it wants to. Transport layer doesn't have key agreement, end point authentication, reconnect etc. etc. etc. We need use cases to define what is needed in these areas. Watson is correctly concerned that we get the transport encryption to work correctly. Transport layer encryption might include bi-directional data transport, end point synchronization etc., but if there are no use cases, it is hard to justify spending a lot of effort to support them. We need use cases if only to be sure we are supporting what needs to be supported. Cheers - Bill ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Bill Frantz | Since the IBM Selectric, keyboards have gotten 408-356-8506 | steadily worse. Now we have touchscreen keyboards. www.pwpconsult.com | Can we make something even worse?
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- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Trevor Perrin
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
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- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Douglas Stebila
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Trevor Perrin
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Dan Harkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process Andy Lutomirski
- Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3 process henry.story@bblfish.net