Re: [TLS] draft-green-tls-static-dh-in-tls13-01

"Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net> Wed, 19 July 2017 17:54 UTC

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From: "Dobbins, Roland" <rdobbins@arbor.net>
To: Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>
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On Jul 19, 2017, at 19:48, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com<mailto:watsonbladd@gmail.com>> wrote:

Technical solutions to political problems are not the right approach.

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Conversely, technical solutions which do not take into account operational reality don't benefit those who need them the most.

Sadly, we don't have the luxury of starting from a clean slate.

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