[TLS] Re: Bytes server -> client

Raghu Saxena <poiasdpoiasd@live.com> Fri, 08 November 2024 07:18 UTC

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Dear Bas,

Thanks for sharing. I'm quite curious about this bit in particular:

On 11/7/24 10:06 PM, Bas Westerbaan wrote:
>
>     On average, around 15 million TLS connections are established with
>     Cloudflare per second. Upgrading each to ML-DSA, would take
>     1.8Tbps, which is 0.6% of our current total network capacity. No
>     problem so far. The question is how these extra bytes affect
>     performance.
>     Back in 2021, we ran a large-scale experiment to measure the
>     impact of big post-quantum certificate chains on connections to
>     Cloudflare’s network over the open Internet. There were two
>     important results. First, we saw a steep increase in the rate of
>     client and middlebox failures when we added more than 10kB to
>     existing certificate chains.
>
Would you be willing to share some numbers around the increase in 
failures? What do you think might've been the cause for increased 
failures at clients and middleboxes? One hypothesis I have is 
TLS-related DPI might allocate a certain buffer to capture the 
handshake, which was now being crossed.

Regards,

Raghu Saxena