Re: [TLS] [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-oldversions-deprecate-09.txt> (Deprecating TLSv1.0 and TLSv1.1) to Best Current Practice

[Stephen Farrell <[e-mail]>]

Hi Michael,

On 04/12/2020 15:14, Ackermann, Michael wrote:

> We (Enterprises) are not as involved as we should be in IETF, and
> that is our own problem/fault. What I think irritates people like
> Stephen,

I'm not irritated at all:-)

> is that there have been situations where we finally try to
> get involved and provide input/use cases, etc., but at the 11th hour
> or after the ship has pretty much sailed.

Getting involved late is just something that happens when
one first gets involved in any new thing so is entirely ok.

If I was irritated (and I'm still not:-), what would have
caused that would be a claim that someone somehow represents
all "Enterprises" and that nobody else has a clue what may
be needed for such networks. I don't buy that at all and
I guess never will, because it just isn't correct.

Cheers,
S.


> 
> So as you say Deborah, I very much want to get more Enterprises
> involved in IETF initiatives,  but beyond that, being involved up
> front in the process (perhaps even making positive contributions
> OMG),  rather than only whining about deployment/operational issues
> on the back end.   (or explaining why they exist, which is
> essentially what I was doing on this issue ☹).
> 
> How to accomplish this is a challenge and I think that is what
> Barbara suggested taking off to the other list.
>