[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Wed, 26 February 2025 19:27 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org>, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3
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I support adoption. X25519MLKEM768 has already been widely deployed, and it is time for the standards track to catch up.

Same here.