From: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrust.com>
To: David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org>, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
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+1 to David.

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Mike Ounsworth

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From: David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org>=20
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2025 12:57 PM
To: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
Cc: TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum Hybrid ECDH=
E-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3

=20

I support adoption. X25519MLKEM768 has already been widely deployed, and it=
 is time for the standards track to catch up. David On Wed, Feb 26, 2025, 1=
3:=E2=80=8A35 Sean Turner <sean@=E2=80=8Asn3rd.=E2=80=8Acom> wrote: At IETF=
 121, the WG discussed =E2=80=9CPost-Quantum



I support adoption. X25519MLKEM768 has already been widely deployed, and it=
 is time for the standards track to catch up.

=20

David

=20

On Wed, Feb 26, 2025, 13:35 Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com <mailto:sean@sn3rd.=
com> > wrote:

At IETF 121, the WG discussed =E2=80=9CPost-Quantum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key =
Agreement for TLSv1.3=E2=80=9D; see [0] and [1]. We also had some discussio=
n in an information gathering thread; see [2]. We would like to now determi=
ne whether there is support to adopt this I-D. If you support adoption and =
are willing to review and contribute text, please send a message to the lis=
t. If you do not support adoption of this I-D, please send a message to the=
 list and indicate why. This WG adoption call will close at 2359 UTC on 12 =
March 2025.

One special note: this adoption call has nothing to do with picking the man=
datory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS.

Thanks,
Sean & Joe

[0] Link to I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kwiatkowski-tls-ecd=
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gt; <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 26, 2025 12:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> Se=
an Turner &lt;sean@sn3rd.com&gt;<br><b>Cc:</b> TLS List &lt;tls@ietf.org&gt=
;<br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Post-Quantum=
 Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p=
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pport adoption. X25519MLKEM768 has already been widely deployed, and it is =
time for the standards track to catch up. David On Wed, Feb 26, 2025, 13:</=
span><span style=3D'font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:wh=
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rner &lt;sean@</span><span style=3D'font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",san=
s-serif;color:white'>=E2=80=8A</span><span style=3D'font-size:1.0pt;color:w=
hite'>sn3rd.</span><span style=3D'font-size:1.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-=
serif;color:white'>=E2=80=8A</span><span style=3D'font-size:1.0pt;color:whi=
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ntum Hybrid ECDHE-MLKEM Key Agreement for TLSv1.3=E2=80=9D; see [0] and [1]=
. We also had some discussion in an information gathering thread; see [2]. =
We would like to now determine whether there is support to adopt this I-D. =
If you support adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, plea=
se send a message to the list. If you do not support adoption of this I-D, =
please send a message to the list and indicate why. This WG adoption call w=
ill close at 2359 UTC on 12 March 2025.<br><br>One special note: this adopt=
ion call has nothing to do with picking the mandatory-to-implement cipher s=
uites in TLS.<br><br>Thanks,<br>Sean &amp; Joe<br><br>[0] Link to I-D: <a h=
ref=3D"https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-kw=
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