[TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS
Santosh Chokhani <santosh.chokhani@gmail.com> Sat, 16 November 2024 13:14 UTC
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From: Santosh Chokhani <santosh.chokhani@gmail.com>
To: 'Stephen Farrell' <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>, 'Bas Westerbaan' <bas=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, tls@ietf.org
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Subject: [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS
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+1 -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Farrell [mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2024 11:41 AM To: Bas Westerbaan <bas=40cloudflare.com@dmarc.ietf.org>; tls@ietf.org Subject: [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS On 15/11/2024 10:51, Bas Westerbaan wrote: > We have posted a -00. > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-tls-westerbaan-mldsa-00 I'm unenthusiastic but don't strongly oppose adoption of this and similar drafts, mostly because I think we should try get some WG consensus on guidance for when these things may be needed (if ever) and what the consequences might be should people deploy 'em in the meantime. (By 'em I mean anything with any kind of PQ sig or non hybrid PQ key exchange.) That guidance might or might not be in a separate document, or be copied into each relevant one. Cheers, S.
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Santosh Chokhani
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS aebecke@uwe.nsa.gov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Tim Hollebeek
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: ML-DSA in TLS D. J. Bernstein