[TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2025-11-26)
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2025-11-26)
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Hi, I think there is no real reason to publish this document, and publishing sends the wrong signal about hybrid vs not. We should not publish it. Obviously there is a codepoint that people can use who feel they need it. We specifically designed the registry policy to allow that. Sincerely, Watson On Wed, Nov 5, 2025 at 1:52 PM Sean Turner via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > > > Subject: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends 2025-11-26) > > This message starts a 3-week WG Last Call for this document. > > Abstract: > This memo defines ML-KEM-512, ML-KEM-768, and ML-KEM-1024 as > NamedGroups and and registers IANA values in the TLS Supported Groups > registry for use in TLS 1.3 to achieve post-quantum (PQ) key > establishment. > > File can be retrieved from: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-tls-mlkem/ > > Please review and indicate your support or objection to proceed with the > publication of this document by replying to this email keeping tls@ietf.org > in copy. Objections should be motivated and suggestions to resolve them are > highly appreciated. > > Authors, and WG participants in general, are reminded again of the > Intellectual Property Rights (IPR) disclosure obligations described in BCP 79 > [1]. Appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance with the > provisions of BCP 78 [1] and BCP 79 [2] must be filed, if you are aware of > any. Sanctions available for application to violators of IETF IPR Policy can > be found at [3]. > > Thank you. > > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bcp78/ > [2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/bcp79/ > [3] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/rfc6701/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org -- Astra mortemque praestare gradatim
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kampanakis, Panos
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kazuho Oku
- [TLS] Fwd: Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem… Keegan Dasilva Barbosa
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bob Beck
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Simon Josefsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kurt Roeckx
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Kampanakis, Panos
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (Ends… Sean Turner via Datatracker
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… richard
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Peter Gutmann
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Deployability claims D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-mlkem-05 (… Joseph Salowey