Re: [TLS] NIST on addressing visibility challenges with TLS 1.3

[Christopher Wood <[e-mail]>]

Hi folks,

This line of discussion is not appropriate for this mailing list. Please take it elsewhere.

Best,
Chris, for the chairs

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021, at 6:54 AM, Tony Rutkowski wrote:
> Ruslan,
>
> Speaking as as a lawyer has participated in many EU proceedings over 
> several decades, your assertion here is not accurate.  A European 
> Council Resolution is by definition a "legal document." It was adopted 
> on 14 Dec 2020 after an extensive policy making proceeding and 
> consultations among EU Members over more than a year, and the subject 
> of 
> a vote by a EU governing body.  See 
> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2020/12/14/encryption-council-adopts-resolution-on-security-through-encryption-and-security-despite-encryption/#
>
> As the Council's site notes, its Resolutions "set up political 
> commitments or positions."  See 
> https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/conclusions-resolutions/
>
> The point here was that the NCCoE activity - as many similar ones in 
> other technical bodies - is fully consonant with adopted European policy 
> (paid for by EU Member taxpayers).  It is also properly the subject of 
> notice by the IETF.  What seem inappropriate is characterising 
> alternative views on these matters as "not fine," or "I'm glad I'm not a 
> tax payer in a jurisdiction that's encouraging people to weaken the 
> security properties this WG has tried hard to improve" or denigrating 
> the integrity of a government agency because they don't agree with your 
> views.
>
> It is also worthy of note that shutting down discussion on the IETF TLS 
> list seems highly dependent on the views being articulated.
>
> --tony
>
> On 30-Sep-21 2:30 AM, Ruslan N. Marchenko wrote:
>> First of all EC Resolution is not a legal document, it's a legal 
>> initiative. The resolution is a "call for action" but not an action 
>> per se - there's no legal consequence other than it is possible to 
>> bring this initiative now to european parliament.
>
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