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Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 19 October 2017 14:37 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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On 19/10/17 15:16, Paul Turner wrote:
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> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TLS [mailto:tls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Farrell
>> Sent: Thursday, October 19, 2017 09:07
>> To: Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com>; tls@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
>>
>>
>> Hiya,
>>
>> On 18/10/17 18:41, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
>>> P.S. I agree with Rich; can we try to defer these conversations until
>>> after 1.3 is actually published?
>>
>> FWIW, I also think it'd be a good plan if the chairs did that. I'm happy to
>> oppose these ideas any time, but later is better than now, given this would
>> further distract us from 1.3.
> 
> I don't think this is a good plan.

Why exactly? What here is so urgent that it needs
to be haggled over before TLS1.3 is done?

TLS1.3 is the major work item for which this WG is
chartered, and breaking TLS is something that is
outside this WG's charter entirely.

I think you'd need a very good argument that any WG
ought prioritise out-of-scope work at the expense
of the main goal of the WG.

S.


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