Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS master secret
Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> Tue, 02 February 2010 14:37 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS master secret
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I have read these two documents and believe they are generally fine. As far as I can tell, they are not backwards compatible with earlier proposals. But that is not important. There is one thing in draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext-00.txt that bothers me: There is no requirement that additional random data is generated using cryptographic principles. This means the extension can be used as a general-purpose extension mechanism to exchange data that has meaning to, for example, some middle-ware that sits between the client and server. Is this the intention? I'm assuming no, and that the additional_random_value actually are intended to be, well, just an additional random value. Therefor, I would suggest that a new requirement is added: The client and server MUST generate the additional_random_value data using a secure random number generator. [RANDOM] provides guidance on the generation of random values. ... [RANDOM] Eastlake, D., 3rd, Schiller, J., and S. Crocker, "Randomness Requirements for Security", BCP 106, RFC 4086, June 2005. This is similar to what's in RFC 5246 says about the random_bytes field: 7.4.1.2. Client Hello ... random_bytes 28 bytes generated by a secure random number generator. /Simon
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Stefan Santesson
- [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS master … Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Jeffrey A. Williams
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] New drafts: adding input to the TLS mas… James Manger