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Archived-At: List-Archive: List-Help: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: --Apple-Mail=_BC324D3C-7A6A-4EC0-BEE0-DF25603C2641 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi! It looks like we have consensus to adopt this draft as a working = group item. There were issues raised about wanting to delay this work = until after we have completed work on key-establishment (ensuring we = maintain focus on addressing =E2=80=9Charvest now, decrypt later=E2=80=9D)= and noting that there=E2=80=99s no rush. We believe these can be = addressed after the draft is adopted, e.g., parking a document. We would = also like to further note that we do not think that adoption is = impacting work on key establishment. A couple of other things to note: 1. Authors, please submit the draft named as: draft-ietf-tls-mldsa 2. Authors, please make no changes other than the boilerplate, e.g., = name & dates for the -00 WG version 3. We will start the WG adoption call for draft-reddy-tls-slhdsa = shortly Cheers, Joe and Sean > On Apr 15, 2025, at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM, Sean Turner = wrote: >=20 > We are continuing with our WG adoption calls for the following I-D: > Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3 [1]; see [2] for more information about this = tranche of adoption calls. If you support adoption and are willing to = review and contribute text, please send a message to the list. If you do = not support adoption of this draft, please send a message to the list = and indicate why. This call will close at 2359 UTC on 29 April 2025. >=20 > Reminder: This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the = mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS. >=20 > Cheers, > Joe and Sean >=20 > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-westerbaan-mldsa/ > [2] = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/ --Apple-Mail=_BC324D3C-7A6A-4EC0-BEE0-DF25603C2641 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

Hi! It looks like we have consensus to = adopt this draft as a working group item. There were issues raised about = wanting to delay this work until after we have completed work on = key-establishment (ensuring we maintain focus on addressing =E2=80=9Charve= st now, decrypt later=E2=80=9D) and noting that there=E2=80=99s no rush. = We believe these can be addressed after the draft is adopted, e.g., = parking a document. We would also like to further note that we do not = think that adoption is impacting work on key establishment.  A = couple of other things to note:


1. Authors, please submit the draft = named as: draft-ietf-tls-mldsa

2. Authors, please make no changes = other than the boilerplate, e.g., name & dates for the -00 WG = version

3. We will start the WG adoption call = for draft-re= ddy-tls-slhdsa shortly


Cheers,

Joe and Sean


On Apr 15, 2025, at 1:32=E2=80=AFPM, Sean Turner = <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:

We are continuing with our = WG adoption calls for the following I-D:
Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3 = [1]; see [2] for more information about this tranche of adoption calls. = If you support adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, = please send a message to the list. If you do not support adoption of = this draft, please send a message to the list and indicate why. This = call will close at 2359 UTC on 29 April 2025.

Reminder: =  This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the = mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS.

Cheers,
Joe and = Sean

[1] = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-westerbaan-mldsa/
[2] = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/
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