Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-pkcs1
Ilari Liusvaara <ilariliusvaara@welho.com> Sat, 07 December 2019 10:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-pkcs1
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On Fri, Dec 06, 2019 at 11:09:48AM -0600, Darin Pettis wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2019 at 4:43 PM Adam Langley <agl@imperialviolet.org> wrote: > > People on this list who manage large corporate networks may wish to pay > > attention to this: while you may not have updated servers to TLS 1.3 yet, > > eventually it'll happen and I suspect some will find a significant amount > > of things like TPMs, in which you currently have client-certificate keys, > > which only sign with PKCS#1 v1.5. Without this draft adopted and > > implemented ahead of time, it's going to be painful. > > Adam - Wanted to thank you for the call-out to people on the list managing > large corporate networks. Looking into the mutual authentication supported > protocols issue that you and David raised. Will evaluate potential future > impact. There are also library issues where the physical device does allow RSA-PSS (e.g., because they can perform raw RSA root on arbitrary values[1]), but libraries/drivers do not support it. One test I just tried: - Smartcard capable of raw RSA. - OpenSC PKCS#11 drivers. - Firefox ESR 68 - Server supports TLS 1.3 (Accept RSA PKCS#1v1.5 client signatures is enabled[2]). Result: Failed. Client hits internal error code SEC_ERROR_LIBRARY_FAILURE [3]. [1] Yeah, not great for security, but some devices are like that. [2] That option was a hack to make things work with Firefox ESR 52, which did send RSA PKCS#1v1.5 client signature (scheme 0x0401) in comparable situation. [3] My guess would be that browser asks drivers for RSA-PSS, which they do not support, causing the error. -Ilari
- [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-pkcs1 Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Christopher Wood
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Darin Pettis
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] Adoption call for draft-davidben-tls13-… Hubert Kario