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Re: [TLS] Rethink TLS 1.3

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Mon, 24 November 2014 10:59 UTC

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From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Henrick Hellström <henrick@streamsec.se>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Rethink TLS 1.3
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On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 11:53:17AM +0100, Henrick Hellström wrote:
> Yes, but the point I am trying to make, is that if the implied goal
> is to make TLS resilient even against BEAST/CRIME style attacks, the
> threat model should be defined accordingly. It makes little sense to
> ask for cryptographic review of the protocol, if it is inherently
> unclear exactly what kind of threats the protocol is designed to
> withstand.

BEAST/CRIME are dramatic demonstrations of the capabilities of attackers
in the Internet threat model.

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