[TLS] Re: FATT process update

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Tue, 05 November 2024 19:04 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net>
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  *   I think Rich should retitle his document to "A 'permanent' Design Team for TLS", but then we can get on with it.

I think my draft served my intended purpose, and while I prefer design team over FATT, I don’t see a reason to push forward on my draft any more.  (And thanks for the nice words.)

I like the current plan. There are, of course, still issues to work out, but the architecture is now sound :)