[TLS]Re: HTTPS-RR and TLS

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Tue, 21 May 2024 09:51 UTC

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Hiya,

On 21/05/2024 08:53, Ilari Liusvaara wrote:
> Then there is possibility that IPv4 has gateway but IPv6 is direct-
> routed. Then HTTPS entires need to be duplicated with potentially
> different alpn values (filtered for IPv4, full for IPv6). HTTP/3
> requires IPv6 in such setup (as opposed to not working at all with
> server entirely behind gateway).

Do we have any info on tests with esp browsers where there
is >1 HTTPS RR published for the same name? Last I checked
(but it was a good while back), browsers didn't handle that
well, though hopefully that's improved since.

Ta,
S.