Re: [TLS] TLS 1.2 hash agility
Mike <mike-list@pobox.com> Thu, 27 September 2007 14:20 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS 1.2 hash agility
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> I spent [a lot of time] trying to come up with other valid
> reasons for using the extension to advertise the server's
> capabilities, versus putting them in the CertificateRequest. The
> only thing I could come up with is that putting the list of
> signature algorithms in the CertificateRequest is a change to the
> format of that message, so it requires version-specific processing,
> whereas if you use the server extension, the format of Certificate
> Request is the same as previous TLS versions.
I came up with a few more ideas, unfortunately at the expense of
not being able to sleep:
- The extension mechanism was added to TLS to enable the
addition of functionality without needing to constantly
change handshake message formats; so I would argue that
any functionality that -can- be added using an extension
-should- use an extension instead of modifying messages.
(Yes, Signature had to change so messages will be
different, but limiting the damage is a worthy goal.)
- There is a potential performance benefit on the client
side: if the client requires better algorithms than the
defaults and the server either doesn't reply with the
extension, or if the list doesn't contain an acceptable
algorithm, then the client can abort the connection
immediately after parsing the ServerHello message. It
can avoid the need to parse the Certificate message to
determine how it was signed.
The only counter argument I could find is that the server's list
of acceptable algorithms might be different in different places.
Even if so, the client can benefit from knowing the server's
certificate signature algorithms up front, so having the server
respond with the extension is useful. Then I would suggest
that signature_algorithms in CertificateRequest could be empty,
which would mean, "use the same list given in the server's
signature algorithms extension."
Mike
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