Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only AEAD ciphers
mrex@sap.com (Martin Rex) Tue, 29 April 2014 18:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only AEAD ciphers
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Fedor Brunner wrote: > > The Mandatory Cipher Suite for TLS 1.2 was TLS_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA. > What is the mandatory cipher in TLS 1.3 ? > > Maybe TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_CHACHA20_POLY1305_SHA256 using Curve25519 for > ECDHE ? Support for ECC is/was a mere option in TLSv1.2. The specification of Curve25519 for use with rfc4492 is not yet standardized, same for ChaCha and Poly1035. What you're asking for is something that has very little in common with any prior version of TLS, and in particular ZERO interop with the currently installed base. TLSv1.2 (rfc5246) had the intention to be backwards-interoperable with the installed base (otherwise they would have not added the silly definition of an (md5,rsa) digital signature to TLSv1.2 (you may want to remove that bogosity from the v1.3 draft), but the amount of interoperability problems with the installed base was significantly enough to deter adoption of the protocol for >4 years. Looking at the amount of changes that are being considered and discussed here for TLSv1.3, I would not be surprised if the resulting adoption rate for TLSv1.3 would make the IPv6 adoption rate appear blazing fast... -Martin
- [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only AEA… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Fedor Brunner
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Peter Bowen
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Ralph Holz
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Fedor Brunner
- [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus on … Rene Struik
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Joseph Salowey (jsalowey)
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] (offline note) Re: Confirming Consensus… Michael StJohns
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Manuel Pégourié-Gonnard
- Re: [TLS] Confirming Consensus on supporting only… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [PATCH] Clean up removal of all non-AEA… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] [PATCH] Clean up removal of all non-AEAD mo… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] [PATCH] Clean up removal of all non-AEA… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [PATCH] Clean up removal of all non-AEA… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] [PATCH] Clean up removal of all non-AEA… Eric Rescorla