Re: [TLS] [Ietf-honest] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

Erick O <ericko0@yahoo.com> Fri, 18 September 2009 14:43 UTC

Return-Path: <ericko0@yahoo.com>
X-Original-To: tls@core3.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tls@core3.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D8B3A68FF for <tls@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:43:19 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.529
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.529 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.069, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001]
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1MZoGM8bRqk for <tls@core3.amsl.com>; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com (web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com [68.180.197.188]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C53DF3A6B0A for <tls@ietf.org>; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:43:17 -0700 (PDT)
Received: (qmail 6058 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Sep 2009 14:44:11 -0000
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1253285051; bh=/Y7LcTR1H5lPeBPysDtk3HZ5RJrqHDuLhZIY1AuBp1Y=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xxJ7uDsAg9w8I08wLmC5nS0Su15PKHDB7lWgr9OECIzpZAVCiqq6LtlyOQ+enqON45JN/Hg8r2+VC2QaVBqSDVpZZyVPNR8yKO+RFJLnZIYbZsArSMJabjR94WUHWxjXOqAxfpR8Dk5AZ/NIhUkRuD/UoVY2x+EL/4QQE+MY/x0=
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=L8vYENDSKedsBiTyBglduV/hI6YmE6symR38SfbUKlEZmChfu334I05xbY+SKV10vK1COlkScBVkLe3vh1wjEHxyLe8+gVzwKZjPnnmgJrwy43vmYr7hIhToHsh2WqJJw3p9JV8s5zShZqWvLc8KiuaHDfxWslxS6JY3VSKesLo=;
Message-ID: <617475.5278.qm@web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
X-YMail-OSG: wmEJnEsVM1kcsrQMs5GBzUpJ5iuf8zvLSZUb_0Xl4lisVXXvt5PQFagqiTSYGXVC23MtTm89_wCEdwPmF9ZaMhwVzDTtjeckTFYXz_dVaz7XlQcXZKErU73W4JpQwPEdeZ.VO5PsybzomJ2jGATIojf5HvAHq4YHIKhdWbLdMuqvgp90DJ99eopEtPba0x3YcprFZl02eOEMbYSX7LRfgtNWDIo-
Received: from [68.106.217.192] by web45516.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:44:11 PDT
X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/157.18 YahooMailWebService/0.7.347.2
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0907231459420.13344-100000@citation2.av8.net>
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 07:44:11 -0700
From: Erick O <ericko0@yahoo.com>
To: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>, Matthew Campagna <mcampagna@certicom.com>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0907231459420.13344-100000@citation2.av8.net>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1262586298-1253285051=:5278"
Cc: "tglassey@earthlink.net" <tglassey@earthlink.net>, "ietf-honest@lists.iadl.org" <ietf-honest@lists.iadl.org>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [TLS] [Ietf-honest] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard
X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tls>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:43:19 -0000





________________________________
From: Dean Anderson <dean@av8.com>
To: Matthew Campagna <mcampagna@certicom.com>
Cc: "tglassey@earthlink.net" <tglassey@earthlink.net>; "ietf-honest@lists.iadl.org" <ietf-honest@lists.iadl.org>; "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 12:11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [TLS] [Ietf-honest] Last Call: draft-ietf-tls-extractor (Keying Material Exporters for Transport Layer Security (TLS)) to Proposed Standard

On Thu, 23 Jul 2009, Matthew Campagna wrote:

> Todd,
> 
>  The official statement is the linked document, we update it from time to time. 
> 
> Regards,
>    Matt

This is a problem. The official statement is the IPR disclosure, which
should contain the terms used by the IETF in its decision to approve the
document. Certicom should not be able to alter the terms after the fact,
which it seems to have just admitted doing.

I think that we have to consider rejecting documents where the terms are
not definite and/or can be altered at the whim of the patent holder.

        --Dean


-- 
Av8 Internet  Prepared to pay a premium for better service?
www.av8.net        faster, more reliable, better service
617 344 9000  


_______________________________________________
TLS mailing list
TLS@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls