Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted
Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> Thu, 15 March 2018 00:14 UTC
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From: Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2018 00:14:22 +0000
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a) Nalini, I haven't posted anything even slightly close to the examples of offending messages you've just written. b) Is this the only message of mine that deserves a response? 14 Mar. 2018 г., 19:00 nalini elkins <nalini.elkins@e-dco.com>: > >>One strategy that's very effective for overcoming resistance to bad >> ideas is to keep pushing the idea until nobody who's resisting it can >> afford to continue doing so. >> > > >There's a name for that tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion". > (On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within > ICANN.) > > > Guys, I know it is a lot of fun to talk about how others do not have the > brains that God gave a termite and that maybe they are even the spawn of > the devil. > > But, let's just use Occam's razor. Or as I tell my daughter, "if you > hear hoof beats, it is likely not a zebra, it is a horse". > > The simple explanation is that people think they will have serious issues > with TLS1.3 and actually, TLS1.2 when it is DH only. > > Nalini > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Artyom Gavrichenkov <ximaera@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> 13 Mar. 2018 г., 18:38 Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>: >> >>> One strategy that's very effective for overcoming resistance to bad >>> ideas is to keep pushing the idea until nobody who's resisting it can >>> afford to continue doing so. >>> >> >> There's a name for that tactics, it's called "consensus by exhaustion". >> (On the recent GNSO meeting this was briefly discussed as an issue within >> ICANN.) >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list >> TLS@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >> >> > -- > Thanks, > Nalini Elkins > President > Enterprise Data Center Operators > www.e-dco.com > >
- [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Darin Pettis
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted stephen.farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF101 Jim Reid
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Colm MacCárthaigh
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted George Palmer
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Darin Pettis
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility at IETF… Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Kathleen Moriarty
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Peter Bowen
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ryan Sleevi
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ralph Droms
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Artyom Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ralph Droms
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted nalini elkins
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stan Kalisch
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] TLS@IETF101 Agenda Posted Stephen Farrell