Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS 1.3
Geoffrey Keating <geoffk@geoffk.org> Mon, 07 July 2014 17:50 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS 1.3
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mrex@sap.com (Martin Rex) writes: > Eric Rescorla wrote: > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > > Daniel Kahn Gillmor <dkg@fifthhorseman.net> > wrote: > >> > >> i just opened a pull request to propose that the TLS ContentType (when > >> actually using a proper cipher) should itself be encrypted, rather than > >> in the clear: > >> > >> If this change is made, it's also relatively easy to just drop the TLS > >> version field for each encrypted TLS record layer fragment. > > This version field is sometimes helpful for debugging, and > using the same formatting of the record contents (clear vs. decrypted) > means less code complexity. I'd be happy with dropping the version field for everything beyond the first ServerHello. That should help a bit with code complexity---ClientHello is already quite special and for ServerHello it will be the second and third bytes sent on the connection so can be handled as an exception ("read the first three bytes, process version number, stuff byte 0 back into the queue").
- [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS 1.3 Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Colm MacCárthaigh
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Fabrice Gautier
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Fabrice Gautier
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] proposal to encrypt ContentType for TLS… Colm MacCárthaigh