[TLS] Re: Improving the quality of the discussion on the TLS email list

[Tanja Lange <[e-mail]>]

Dear Eliot, dear all,
I can tally the emails on list, which were about even in favor and against.
The chairs announced that by some process of discarding or weighing some votes
they reach 70% in favor. To quote this verbatim 
"However, if we look at pre-existing WG                        
participants or people with demonstrated expertise, roughly 7/10 WG                       
participants favor advancing the document, which shows rough consensus                    
to move the document forward."
The requests I've seen, starting right after the chairs announced their
decision that there was consensus in favor of the document, are asking for
which input was discarded or counted higher or lower. I cannot do the
"homework" of checking this because I don't know the mechanism used. 

Additionally, the email asking for responses was sent with
	Reply-To: Joseph Salowey <[e-mail]>
so that replies would go to Joe's address and to the list only if the sender
chooses to reply to all (or edits the header manually), so there might be some
emails that didn't go to the list and which therefore I cannot count when doing
my homework.

Finally, there are reports of messages not appearing on list despite the
sender responding with the release code. We have seen some messages containing
release codes appear on list (I hadn't seen that in any previous discussion).
My understanding is that the chairs see those, and maybe that's where the
chairs saw additional support, but I cannot count these in my homework.

Hence, I would like to support the request for transparency of how the 7/10
(quoted above) was reached.

All the best
	Tanja

On Fri, Jul 31, 2026 at 01:02:26PM +0200, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 31.07.2026 12:37, Ken Kubota wrote:
> 
>     There have been repeated requests [1, 2] that the working group chairs release the participant chart/list/table publicly that supports the 70 % claim ("7/10 WG participants favor advancing the document" [3]).
> 
> Unnecessary.  All the information used by the chairs is publicly available on
> this list.  Do your own homework.  Stop making work for others.
> 
> 






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