Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on MTI Algorithms
Yoav Nir <ynir.ietf@gmail.com> Thu, 02 April 2015 19:19 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Consensus Call on MTI Algorithms
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> On Apr 2, 2015, at 9:36 PM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 05:52:36AM -0700, Yaron Sheffer wrote: >> On 04/02/2015 05:48 AM, Stephen Farrell wrote: >>> But isn't it likely we revise the TLS BCP once TLS1.3 is done and >>> implementations start to become common? We can make sure things >>> all add up at that point in time, and are in-whack with what people >>> are deploying, but we don't necessarily need to do so now I think. >> >> It entirely likely. But even then, I am not sure we'll be able to >> convince people who went to AES-256 (presumably, for "compliance" >> reasons) to move to ChaCha. And certainly not to AES-128... > > Must-implement != must-deploy. Hi, Nico. That’s a nice catch-phrase, but what does it mean? Suppose I am implementing a TLS library specifically for the IoT space. Being a standards-compliant implementation, my library and all its users will of course conform to the profile in draft-ietf-dice-profile. That means TLS_PSK_WITH_AES_128_CCM_8. Given this, why must I implement AES-GCM? Why should I implement ChaCha? I and any other IoT implementer will argue that the devices don’t have the memory for code that will never run. Sure, if I’m writing an OpenSSL, then I can implement everything and allow users to configure whatever algorithm they want. But I really don’t get what this phrase means in this context. Yoav
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