Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext (Additional Random
Michael D'Errico <mike-list@pobox.com> Mon, 26 April 2010 19:47 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional-random-ext (Additional Random
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Marsh Ray wrote: > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2246 : >> 7.4.1.2. Client hello >> >> [...] >> >> random_bytes >> 28 bytes generated by a secure random number generator. > > Not pseudorandom, "generated by a secure random number generator". No, if you look at the implementation notes in RFC 5246, you will see that it really is meant to be pseudo-random: Appendix D. Implementation Notes D.1. Random Number Generation and Seeding TLS requires a cryptographically secure pseudorandom number generator (PRNG). Care must be taken in designing and seeding PRNGs. PRNGs based on secure hash operations, most notably SHA-1, are acceptable, but cannot provide more security than the size of the random number generator state. A server especially would not want to use an RNG (over a PRNG) since an attacker could rob it of all its entropy by sending a flood of bogus ClientHellos. In my own implementation, the only place I use a true RNG is when a client generates an RSA premaster secret. (It may also get used in EDH when generating private keys, but that happens internal to OpenSSL, and I haven't looked at that code.) Mike
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Russ Housley
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Kemp, David P.
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Kemp, David P.
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Nicolas Williams
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] RNG vs. PRNG Marsh Ray
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Dean Anderson
- Re: [TLS] Last Call: draft-hoffman-tls-additional… Sean Turner