Re: [TLS] external PSK identity enumeration Re: UPDATED Last Call: <draft-ietf-tls-tls13-24.txt> (The Transport Layer Security (TLS) Protocol Version 1.3) to Proposed Standard

i think your general point is sound here, but I'll nitpick the statement
that
"if the server recognises an identity but is unable to verify corresponding
binder".

1. The server only picks one identity so you if you send A, B, and C and you
get an abort, you don't know if it recognized one or all.
2. The server can *recognize* the identity but ignore it (say it's a ticket
that's
too old)

With that said, I think it would probably be safe to say you must ignore an
identity
where the binder doesn't validate, but I'd like to hear from cryptographers
on this
one.

Thanks,
-Ekr

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:26 AM, Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 21 February 2018 15:21:58 CET Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:13 AM, Hubert Kario <hkario@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Friday, 16 February 2018 18:06:41 CET The IESG wrote:
> > > > The IESG has received a request from the Transport Layer Security WG
> > >
> > > (tls)
> > >
> > > > to consider the following document: - 'The Transport Layer Security
> > > > (TLS)
> > > > Protocol Version 1.3'
> > > >
> > > >   <draft-ietf-tls-tls13-24.txt> as Proposed Standard
> > >
> > > The current draft states that if the server recognises an identity but
> is
> > > unable to verify corresponding binder, it "MUST abort the handshake"
> >
> > Which text are you referring to here?
>
> Section 4.2.11:
>
>    Prior to accepting PSK key establishment, the server MUST validate
>    the corresponding binder value (see Section 4.2.11.2 below).  If this
>    value is not present or does not validate, the server MUST abort the
>    handshake.  Servers SHOULD NOT attempt to validate multiple binders;
>    rather they SHOULD select a single PSK and validate solely the binder
>    that corresponds to that PSK.
>
> > -Ekr
> >
> > at the same time, they "SHOULD select as single PSK and validate solely
> the
> >
> > > binder that corresponds to that PSK"
> > > (Page 60, draft-ietf-tls-tls13-24).
> > >
> > > That allows for trivial enumeration of externally established
> identities -
> > > the
> > > attacker just needs to send to the server a list of identity guesses,
> with
> > > random data as binders, if the server recognises any identity it will
> > > abort
> > > connection, if it doesn't, it will continue to a non-PSK handshake.
> > >
> > > Behaviour like this is generally considered a vulnerability:
> > > https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2003-0190
> > > https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2006-5229
> > >
> > > I was wondering if the document shouldn't recommend ignoring any and
> all
> > > identities for which binders do not verify to prevent this kind of
> attack.
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Hubert Kario
> > > Senior Quality Engineer, QE BaseOS Security team
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>
> --
> Regards,
> Hubert Kario
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