[TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus
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From: John Gray <John.Gray@entrust.com>
To: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>, TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus
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Thanks for starting this Sean. Here are my responses: 1. Should the WG work on PQ + T Hybrid Signatures for TLS? Yes 1. Should the WG only work on one: -pqt-dual-certs or -composite-ml-dsa? Yes 1. Should the WG work on: -pqt-dual-certs? No 1. Should the WG work on: -composite-ml-dsa? Yes Cheers, John Gray ________________________________ From: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Sent: Monday, September 28, 2026 12:52 PM To: TLS List <tls@ietf.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TLS] Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus At IETF 126, the chairs conducted a series of polls [1] to determine the way forward for PQ+T hybrid signatures after hearing from the -composite-mldsa [2] and -pqt-dual-certs [3] authors; you can watch the setup, authors presentations, and At IETF 126, the chairs conducted a series of polls [1] to determine the way forward for PQ+T hybrid signatures after hearing from the -composite-mldsa [2] and -pqt-dual-certs [3] authors; you can watch the setup, authors presentations, and the polls at [4] from around 0:16:47 until 1:08:00. The polls' results showed in-room consensus to 1) work on PQ + T Signatures for TLS and 2) work only on -composite-mldsa. The chairs now need to confirm this consensus on list. We are going to do this by asking the four questions that follow. Please take note of the take note of the following: 1. Framing of the questions is found in this deck [5]; in case it is/was not clear a "Yes" on Question 1 implies WG adoption of a draft. 2. Again, a "Yes" for 3 or 4 implies you are in favor of adopting the associated draft as a working group item. 3. Based on the responses we got during the session we only asked the 1st 4 questions in [5]. Please provide your answers to the following questions by 12 October 2026: 1. Should the WG work on PQ + T Hybrid Signatures for TLS? 2. Should the WG only work on one: -pqt-dual-certs or -composite-ml-dsa? 3. Should the WG work on: -pqt-dual-certs? 4. Should the WG work on: -composite-ml-dsa? Cheers, spt (for the chairs) [1] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/polls-126-tls-202607241600/__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!bVQxE_IIeIlpbl2kH6Zk91MKooWSVmf6rMlAXmw3oafVoeyu7y4Xmrj_FHTSeuh9wW4i7sY7ZJvo$ [2] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-tls-composite-mldsa/__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!bVQxE_IIeIlpbl2kH6Zk91MKooWSVmf6rMlAXmw3oafVoeyu7y4Xmrj_FHTSeuh9wW4i7mH-U0Ta$ [3] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-yusef-tls-pqt-dual-certs/__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!bVQxE_IIeIlpbl2kH6Zk91MKooWSVmf6rMlAXmw3oafVoeyu7y4Xmrj_FHTSeuh9wW4i7nGdVzw5$ [4] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp1s1UMmhTI__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!bVQxE_IIeIlpbl2kH6Zk91MKooWSVmf6rMlAXmw3oafVoeyu7y4Xmrj_FHTSeuh9wW4i7u3Q4dFq$ [5] https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/126/materials/slides-126-tls-framing-pq-t-signatures-for-tls-00__;!!FJ-Y8qCqXTj2!bVQxE_IIeIlpbl2kH6Zk91MKooWSVmf6rMlAXmw3oafVoeyu7y4Xmrj_FHTSeuh9wW4i7gHoQNDR$ _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org Any email and files/attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If this message has been sent to you in error, you must not copy, distribute or disclose of the information it contains. Please notify Entrust immediately and delete the message from your system.
- [TLS] Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatur… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatur… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Muhammad Usama Sardar
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Samuel Lee (ENS/Crypto)
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus David Benjamin
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Samuel Lee (ENS/Crypto)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Si… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Rifaat Shekh-Yusef
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Eric Rescorla
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus loic.ferreira
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Sophie Schmieg
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Soatok Dreamseeker
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Joe Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus olivier.sanders
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Daniel Van Geest
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… John Gray
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Confirming PQ+T Signatures C… Ira McDonald
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Richard Barnes
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Chase Abbott
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Jan Klaußner
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Ryan Appel
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Damien Miller
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Wang Guilin
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Hannes Tschofenig
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Bashiri, Kaveh
- [TLS] Re: Confirming PQ+T Signatures Consensus Dan Wing