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Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-thomson-tls-keylogfile

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Mon, 28 November 2022 22:20 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Call for adoption of draft-thomson-tls-keylogfile
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I'm ok with adoption so long as we include sufficient
caveats along the way (and then add more caveats just
in case:-)

If there were some technical means to ensure that this
was less likely to be abused, I'd like it more. (Could
we e.g. require inclusion of a TLS extension that has a
100kB cat-picture payload?)

S.

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