Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation
Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com> Thu, 05 June 2014 15:27 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation
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On Jun 5, 2014 8:12 AM, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote: > > Have folks seen this yet? > > http://ccsinjection.lepidum.co.jp/blog/2014-06-05/CCS-Injection-en/index.html > > > > I think it adds weight to my concern about using ChangeCipherSpec to do key reset. I still prefer the trade-offs of having a “slow the TLS but keep the TCP layer open” and starting over. Much simpler to prove it’s correct. What can change when that happens? Furthermore, rekeying is a matter of getting more PRF output: how does that introduce security concerns. I don't see why the incompetence of implementors should govern our decisions. If something cannot be implemented correctly it must be removed, but why is rekeying such a thing? > > > > /r$ > > > > -- > > Principal Security Engineer > > Akamai Technologies, Cambridge, MA > > IM: rsalz@jabber.me; Twitter: RichSalz > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Nico Williams
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Jeffrey Walton
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Paul Lambert
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] CCS and key reset and renegotiation Michael StJohns