Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls-proxy-bp
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Thu, 30 July 2020 00:06 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls-proxy-bp
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Hiya, On 30/07/2020 00:56, Eric Rescorla wrote: > What text in TLS do you believe terminating proxies (in either direction) > do not conform to? I gtend to start with the abstract: "TLS allows client/server applications to communicate over the Internet in a way that is designed to prevent eavesdropping, tampering, and message forgery." I think that text has remained through various iterations. More importantly, the analyses done for tls1.3 afaik do not consider such 3rd parties except as an attacker. I'm by no means denying the fact that MITM boxen are deployed, but the idea that some of them are "conformant" and some are not seems bogus. S.
- [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls-pro… Ron Bonica
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Jen Linkova
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Tobias Mayer (tmayer)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Ira McDonald
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Nancy Cam-Winget (ncamwing)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] [EXTERNAL] Re: [OPSEC] Call For Adoptio… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Roelof duToit
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] [EXTERNAL] Re: Call For Adoptio… Roelof duToit
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Roelof duToit
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Ashutosh Singh
- Re: [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Arnaud.Taddei.IETF
- Re: [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… tom petch
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-opsec-tls… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Carrick Bartle
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Rob Sayre
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Paul Brears
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Töma Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Töma Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Töma Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Töma Gavrichenkov
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Ben Smyth
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Eric Wang (ejwang)
- Re: [TLS] [OPSEC] Call For Adoption: draft-wang-o… Rob Sayre