Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS*
David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org> Fri, 02 December 2016 17:59 UTC
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From: David Benjamin <davidben@chromium.org>
Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 17:58:44 +0000
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS*
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(To clarify, I was not at all suggesting we go back to SSL. If we had a time machine, I might make other suggestions, but as far as I know we do not.) On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:45 PM Andrei Popov <Andrei.Popov@microsoft.com> wrote: > Not that I can speak for the whole of Microsoft, but I would not drop TLS > support in Windows if it were renamed "SSL":). > > However, "transport layer security" makes a lot more sense to me than > "secure sockets layer" because the latter seems to imply network > socket-style API, which is not a requirement of this protocol. > > Cheers, > > Andrei > > -----Original Message----- > From: TLS [mailto:tls-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Peter Gutmann > Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:33 AM > To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>; David Benjamin < > davidben@chromium.org>; Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>; <tls@ietf.org> < > tls@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* > > Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> writes: > > >IIRC that was sort-of a condition for adoption of the work in the IETF > >20 years ago, when there were two different protocols already being > >deployed and the proponents of one of them said "we'll use that other > >one (SSL) but you gotta change the name of the standard or we can't get > >our <bosses> to agree to change to all use the same thing." > > It was Netscape with SSL vs. Microsoft with PCT. > > If no-one from Microsoft has any objections, can we just rename it back to > what it's always been for everyone but us, SSL? > > Peter. > > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls >
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Joseph Birr-Pixton
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Yoav Nir
- [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Erik Nygren
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Nick Harper
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eric Mill
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Michael Ströder
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Will Serumgard
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Adam Langley
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Henrick Hellström
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ira McDonald
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Christian Huitema
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Dave Kern
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Vlad Krasnov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Deb Cooley
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Vlad Krasnov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eftychios Theodorakis
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Vlad Krasnov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Julien ÉLIE
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Martin Thomson
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eric Mill
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Nick Sullivan
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Adrian
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Kazuho Oku
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Woodhouse
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Melinda Shore
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Victor Vasiliev
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Anders Rundgren
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Jeffrey Walton
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ira McDonald
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Judson Wilson
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Vlad Krasnov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Steven Valdez
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Filippo Valsorda
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* D. J. Bernstein
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eric Mill
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Xiaoyin Liu
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Mark Nottingham
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Andrey Jivsov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Dmitry Belyavsky
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* darin.pettis
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* =JeffH
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Short, Todd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Sean Leonard
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Richard Barnes
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Woodhouse
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hugo Krawczyk
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Scott Schmit
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Daniel Migault
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Dave Garrett
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Anders Rundgren
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Dan Brown
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Timothy Jackson
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Raja ashok
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Nick Sullivan
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Bill Frantz
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Matt Caswell
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Thomas Pornin
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Maarten Bodewes
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Rob Stradling
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* David Benjamin
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* darin.pettis
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ackermann, Michael
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Aaron Zauner
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Patrick McManus
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Ted Lemon
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Scott Schmit
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Scott Schmit
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Tony Arcieri
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Karthik Bhargavan
- [TLS] closing thread -> Re: Confirming consensus:… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Mohan Sekar
- Re: [TLS] Confirming consensus: TLS1.3->TLS* Joseph Salowey