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Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet

Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> Tue, 09 August 2022 22:47 UTC

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From: Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:47:36 -0700
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Getting started, clock not set yet
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On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 3:40 PM Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

>
> P.S. I don't think that this tone "...but go on" is particularly helpful
> in this discussion.
>

Well, it's easy. You said "require", and I just give very little credence
to the CABF, because I think it is nonsense.

That can be a point of disagreement, but you're also on tape heckling me at
an IETF meeting while saying "HTTP Digest" authentication was "good enough".

You were of course wrong, but it's a good enough point to leave sleeping
dogs lie as well.

thanks,
Rob

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