[TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Concerns and Risks
Nick Harper <ietf@nharper.org> Sat, 20 July 2024 02:11 UTC
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From: Nick Harper <ietf@nharper.org>
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 19:11:10 -0700
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Subject: [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Concerns and Risks
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The scenario where more than one party has the private keys is described in scenario 6 [1]. The analysis of that scenario is that trust anchor negotiation has no effect on the surveillant's ability to carry out their goals. 1: https://github.com/davidben/tls-trust-expressions/blob/main/surveillance-and-trust-anchor-negotiation.md#scenario-6-government-mandates-escrow-of-tls-private-keys-and-secrets On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 7:06 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote: > Isn’t the most obvious issue that more than one party have the private > keys? > > thanks, > Rob > > On Fri, Jul 19, 2024 at 18:29 Devon O'Brien <asymmetric= > 40google.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Hi all, We’ve added a document that attempts to summarize, and offer an >> initial analysis of, several of the scenarios that have been raised in >> on-list discussions related to the possibilities that Trust Expressions (or >> more broadly, Trust Anchor Negotiation) could be used to enable >> surveillance, or to make surveillance easier to achieve than with existing >> solutions. >> >> We’ve been adding to this document for some time, and while there is >> overlap with the documents that Dennis has recently shared, it is not a >> response to them, as it was nearly complete by the time they were posted. >> Our goal is for this analysis to be complete and accurate, so we will >> incorporate additional scenarios, arguments, and analysis over time based >> on the ensuing discussion. >> >> >> https://github.com/davidben/tls-trust-expressions/blob/main/surveillance-and-trust-anchor-negotiation.md >> >> As with any of the other documents in the repository, we encourage you to >> ask on list, or file a github issue if you feel we have missed something or >> that our analysis is incorrect >> >> We look forward to the WGs comments and hope to see those coming to >> Vancouver next week. >> >> - Devon, Bob, David >> _______________________________________________ >> TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org >> To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org >> > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org > To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org >
- [TLS]Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Concer… Devon O'Brien
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Rob Sayre
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Nick Harper
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… David Adrian
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Rob Sayre
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Nick Harper
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… David Benjamin
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Watson Ladd
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Mike Shaver
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… David Benjamin
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Mike Shaver
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… David Benjamin
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Mike Shaver
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Devon O'Brien
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Mike Shaver
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Ilari Liusvaara
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Watson Ladd
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Salz, Rich
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Rob Sayre
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… Dennis Jackson
- [TLS]Re: Trust Anchor Negotiation Surveillance Co… David Benjamin