Re: [TLS] Another IRINA bug in TLS

Santiago Zanella-Beguelin <santiago@microsoft.com> Sat, 23 May 2015 13:11 UTC

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From: Santiago Zanella-Beguelin <santiago@microsoft.com>
To: Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be>, Karthikeyan Bhargavan <karthik.bhargavan@gmail.com>
Thread-Topic: [TLS] Another IRINA bug in TLS
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> Should that be changed to "and use a 2048-bit Diffie-Hellman
> group"?

It should. We'll soon update the website and the report to clarify this.

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From: TLS <tls-bounces@ietf.org>; on behalf of Kurt Roeckx <kurt@roeckx.be>;
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To: Karthikeyan Bhargavan
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Another IRINA bug in TLS

On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 10:36:57PM +0200, Karthikeyan Bhargavan wrote:
>
> > I think the authors felt the same. But in Section 4 of the paper, they said:
>
> As one of the authors of the paper, let me try to clarify our recommendations a little bit.
> First, we only know what is broken, and can only make precise recommendations for avoiding the attacks in the paper.
> Figuring out what's a good long-term alternative is for a community forum like this to decide.
>
> If we were to make a recommendation for TLS, at least as it is used on the web, it would be as follows,
> in decreasing order of preference:
>
> 1) Switch to ECDHE.
>     It is faster, and the kinds of attacks discussed in our paper have not (yet) been shown to be effective for the common curves.
>     As usual, we need to be wary of weak curves (160-bit) or curves that may have been generated maliciously.
>     We leave it to the EC folks to tell us what are good curves to use.
>
> 2) Switch to stronger (>=2048-bit) DHE groups.
>     If ECDHE is unavailable, we are happy (today) with >= 2048 groups as suggested in the FF-DHE draft.
>     As usual, we have to be wary of how these groups are generated, since there is the possibility of trapdoors being built in.
>     Using well known constants such as pi or e as the basis for prime generation (e is used in FF-DHE) is, as far as we know,
>     a safe technique for generating a group with a low probability of a trapdoor.

The weakdh.org site currently says:
| If you run a server...
|
| If you have a web or mail server, you should disable support for
| export cipher suites and generate a unique 2048-bit Diffie-Hellman
| group.

Should that be changed to "and use a 2048-bit Diffie-Hellman
group"?


Kurt

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