Return-Path: X-Original-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDE4512D5EC for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:53:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.948 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.948 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3L15NrGrjZhm for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com [23.79.238.179]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF28A128E19 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 07:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by postfix.imss70 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B11D3F400B; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com [172.27.118.250]) by prod-mail-xrelay05.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44F873F4008; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:11 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=akamai.com; s=a1; t=1470667991; bh=aFvv6JsUxKGejxAXp3ubjd8mr6bAERDvsVOdTzlA0+E=; l=215; h=From:To:CC:Date:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=jPSiOAUhvhr0n1O3ZqG0KbMggAXS+iyttdwDnHbm8utYgMYMi7PvX3lsjRy/Q9l8l 1cKDgCM/PM4DCi8N4exBfq1pA3lIqdn82kOSx0ui1uxA3Yjlee+x+dnUvAOUY1wi9J UjaqM0mEheJjjIipn3gmT0fEnupknoliUrh9Tchg= Received: from email.msg.corp.akamai.com (usma1ex-cas2.msg.corp.akamai.com [172.27.123.31]) by prod-mail-relay11.akamai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42B991FC8E; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.101) by usma1ex-dag1mb2.msg.corp.akamai.com (172.27.123.102) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:53:10 -0400 Received: from USMA1EX-DAG1MB1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) by usma1ex-dag1mb1.msg.corp.akamai.com ([172.27.123.101]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Mon, 8 Aug 2016 10:53:10 -0400 From: "Salz, Rich" To: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos , "mrex@sap.com" Thread-Topic: [TLS] TLS 1.3: Deterministic RSA-PSS and ECDSA Thread-Index: AQHR8GgMDDXIW77t1E+k6ZItFYtYx6A9VBsAgAH2WACAAB24AP//wAgA Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:53:09 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160808125514.C83D71A51C@ld9781.wdf.sap.corp> <1470667296.3026.72.camel@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <1470667296.3026.72.camel@redhat.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [172.19.38.87] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "tls@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [TLS] TLS 1.3: Deterministic RSA-PSS and ECDSA X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2016 14:53:13 -0000 =20 > Is that limited, so limited today? Aren't we at a time where the majority= of > servers will use an HSM (either real hardware or virtualized)? Without even defining "virtualized HSM" the answer is no.