Re: [TLS] kicking off charter revision discussion

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Tue, 30 October 2018 21:41 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] kicking off charter revision discussion
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On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 08:19:33PM -0400, Sean Turner wrote:
> Proposed Charter Text

+1, but see comments below.

First off, suppose we wanted to write a successor to RFC2712 for TLS
1.3, should we pursue that in the TLS WG, or KITTEN WG?  I'm amenable to
either, and even both.

> [...]
>
> The second working group goal is to improve protocol extensibility,
> usability, and deployability, e.g., GREASE, Delegated Credentials,
> Certificate Compression, and Exported Authenticators. These working
> group items will include a focus on privacy properties of (D)TLS, with
> a particular emphasis on the following:

Should the DANE DNSSEC chain extension be on the charter?  We do need to
finish it.

> [...]

Nico
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