IETF Logo Mail Archive

[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3

Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> Tue, 15 April 2025 17:38 UTC

Return-Path: <ekr@rtfm.com>
X-Original-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Delivered-To: tls@mail2.ietf.org
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D07611C6977B for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at ietf.org
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.896
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: mail2.ietf.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=rtfm-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com
Received: from mail2.ietf.org ([166.84.6.31]) by localhost (mail2.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHH4ky9cRKi2 for <tls@mail2.ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:51 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail2.ietf.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 196EC1C69716 for <tls@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e6dd991a0e6so4606380276.1 for <tls@ietf.org>; Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:50 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rtfm-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1744738729; x=1745343529; darn=ietf.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Um3EeVikyGLIVv/tBBZSGkXGazAPFmzg4t6ycQz3LPY=; b=Iem1xBA+SFg4bIJmI4sgiHzhM+80rCMu+IRK05DHWiOOh/SQ8+gmaVGSw43I99HHe+ nzFl3NuJbLk6DUuyjb09kxEPJ4GMzCONJAPLCRqsFX0ZXBpfA4edunn5pBShQ3YQFj0O l9mxO/xZYqUf/qet5qrJdW5S9W8mg95BdTbL0XOsGxTLif7IAe/JNkKE/O6XNwvLXJz6 fPDYKHBZZOGvWdLQaVHQmfg6LKXpw9fV6odvnMW65onN4T8/4gb6jhksGHQuR3Kz/qy3 fUAAAwTxLmQy2aYcLfThQtaHdOa2Y+HBrE98psctiFeF8sfYb2OTFdIWpUl3AGbDFaU+ VRsA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1744738729; x=1745343529; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=Um3EeVikyGLIVv/tBBZSGkXGazAPFmzg4t6ycQz3LPY=; b=U1t8XuvtzKcUCMgMOEIsS0FKSEU70xNhpYIt0pmbIoLU6T0+NU3cTgc1FLlEXREQCc tutS7fxAhVuOtnQXosWC47XCOSHgaXmLBp2nrwKS3SE4mXaDRveBF25gvKk1PqptPZA4 nwFkx6PjputTi0YWhJGY3Kc0XUffGCari/zSgNAQKSUDSyB6NYhgvQpteS8qfbe2nm13 pI2uisXB9XM+srGAhvGx+JdLVgRqs1xDKIBA6rxdSezlD92plBBD4RdRvcO+CsL2gk5w xTjSl6W1a78JEYeEdoajjbvfvh1mCeJRkLWo7x00j9tRgMuEB0/SAnPit+5goLflmlId yAWA==
X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yx8KLsdXwrsbmw+OyNd54+I2VetMzfjgpM5D24eVAxVK5vzVAoo ze2DFxKdWELC5narA2R+I06xa7vcm6TqnqorGUq6pp51dSfAaJLLixP+ObVKpfSyj9KJ9S3zEKn pYIvI6SaOUlTPoZ+u0wcRMnazirRaL7nEvFJlKxPZa3wOzbCH
X-Gm-Gg: ASbGncuyp6Ae5X7O71oSW12/AtrjJsrawDg0oFGujfUdF6qfh7Myd4rXcSYgT2G5jw0 TJDCvsdYUe2ILe9ut6K+M8tawwiRgRorTQHhEx2DbyEQpnvWiuOm5i/KugLaVwN4LIzZFnF/n8D A65a8r2hIFgaxBm1A7L8VW0Uak
X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEbA6vIt2+sbjAY930XPFjCb+l6mmTvMc5jYPe+hNvOyPOikGKgm4rke6Gs/7QKrHA0q2gZAxdYb4YnX2VFfDE=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6902:2702:b0:e6d:f76a:e287 with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-e726ea08ec8mr184472276.46.1744738729538; Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:49 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <07CB46EC-758E-4204-901A-CC8812B33A5F@sn3rd.com>
In-Reply-To: <07CB46EC-758E-4204-901A-CC8812B33A5F@sn3rd.com>
From: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 10:38:13 -0700
X-Gm-Features: ATxdqUFBGJPPB4vbqwliLY0cQbiSPrj1SlbNq_9PNa9I-SbFtZTQWsuE_3krMBo
Message-ID: <CABcZeBMDKGQtMMaKASsV74U7p-vXQr8Fj+AbqAjHwpsQJY_B9Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003357a40632d4a4df"
Message-ID-Hash: 2G3PFPXW4C4FNLRC2K6WE447GCKMLCQD
X-Message-ID-Hash: 2G3PFPXW4C4FNLRC2K6WE447GCKMLCQD
X-MailFrom: ekr@rtfm.com
X-Mailman-Rule-Misses: dmarc-mitigation; no-senders; approved; emergency; loop; banned-address; member-moderation; header-match-tls.ietf.org-0; nonmember-moderation; administrivia; implicit-dest; max-recipients; max-size; news-moderation; no-subject; digests; suspicious-header
CC: TLS List <tls@ietf.org>
X-Mailman-Version: 3.3.9rc6
Precedence: list
Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/_DhBuW4Z79w2uokt2MYL60Snork>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Owner: <mailto:tls-owner@ietf.org>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Subscribe: <mailto:tls-join@ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:tls-leave@ietf.org>

I do not think we should adopt this draft at this time. I would prefer the
WG focus its effort on key establishment.
Once those documents are complete, we can reconsider signature.

-Ekr


On Tue, Apr 15, 2025 at 10:34 AM Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote:

> We are continuing with our WG adoption calls for the following I-D:
> Use of ML-DSA in TLS 1.3 [1]; see [2] for more information about this
> tranche of adoption calls. If you support adoption and are willing to
> review and contribute text, please send a message to the list. If you do
> not support adoption of this draft, please send a message to the list and
> indicate why. This call will close at 2359 UTC on 29 April 2025.
>
> Reminder:  This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the
> mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS.
>
> Cheers,
> Joe and Sean
>
> [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-tls-westerbaan-mldsa/
> [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/
>
> _______________________________________________
> TLS mailing list -- tls@ietf.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to tls-leave@ietf.org
>

v2.30.2 | Report a Bug | By Email | System Status