Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...

Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com> Sat, 08 July 2017 15:46 UTC

Return-Path: <bascule@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: tls@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95D22129AA0 for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 08:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2.699
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wlitvGC-eLg1 for <tls@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-yw0-x231.google.com (mail-yw0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 11047129B04 for <tls@ietf.org>; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-yw0-x231.google.com with SMTP id x125so22994415ywa.0 for <tls@ietf.org>; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 08:46:35 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=NSAxJU5YGcxL/O/9YX6PxHhY+TVNDpnQkM4ou3V5mNM=; b=nnyiyry0Wqr7sIaPVgZ7i6UPTEt80bN9sOtFsqI2r9J7ACqB9AL0xRWCB3/lFlD4tu MGMAP+ONwiP4OoLO8sVlWScGKUfvB9qbg202I+1sONa4v2qZnQqjplV23qk7g6KH6yzJ tRvRQosdgRqxPtbXLf2FDSlPOswOrgzZjRSdJJuSXnw9DeKObd/tquQ/OHEaxi//XfDy EEjFChCZcDvNXyc0lXIP4MhZvh+O/3QfoahATeP5zn1Q1iSnjyB02/TOJ8Y2QJfnCAY3 pPm1nYxIhnNyjemqPa44OU357pxDRx0kAjPRMR0g/SfYi8+xL9IbeNuqwfbMDW5HLDVB VxMQ==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=NSAxJU5YGcxL/O/9YX6PxHhY+TVNDpnQkM4ou3V5mNM=; b=LOLiNILBLvKXgriFkpsBt5mvY/2S5KnJMmpuPtB6KtK3oG6HPcwEGXuGmsqzS2LsaG yTAzgWNNxT1+plzvshCIZ1AnO5s26XIBuKjTmIyoZhxRtn6npzqOv9Lk0Qhv6gx+EQvq YW4syrISp5ZPpQlc7CHpR3Y0MsP5Fh8tvMJY3aa/wFXskM3BupspFjWAyS/k4j0FnvTR 1fqalvVKdR9iQ0XnmjXAmkDBkswUPKJb/iD1+VZXEYrvUIYfKjo70MM/OabDHmyU/7ry 7ykInWVebHrCgL1eTuYoT1OqSJ1vEfGMdnHC8n722HrvtqUpIyDcZEWlKrNjTK2V/Iph mFdw==
X-Gm-Message-State: AIVw1134BKckAvNRNlqnru46EMyu5TWTmsWqpi9ZRT6RjIcGRMYUBKNu T3Yw9Ncz02m/sM/3JDJbwP45806qog==
X-Received: by 10.129.112.148 with SMTP id l142mr6124378ywc.221.1499528794108; Sat, 08 Jul 2017 08:46:34 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Received: by 10.37.192.216 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Jul 2017 08:46:13 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <98676127-5d46-55fe-b8ef-30948f78c15d@cs.tcd.ie>
References: <b8baf87c-6648-96aa-4275-924fee07f774@cs.tcd.ie> <CAHOTMVLXzgnvcZsSjUgexpqeTZROUz9gaHO8oa8ox4hS7awQYA@mail.gmail.com> <98676127-5d46-55fe-b8ef-30948f78c15d@cs.tcd.ie>
From: Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2017 08:46:13 -0700
Message-ID: <CAHOTMVJ6omg-ZHQdmz4DCkgkVTt+GCRpZWny2ySbDcmJXbdhAA@mail.gmail.com>
To: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Cc: tls chair <tls-chairs@tools.ietf.org>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c0b1e521a93ae0553d04104"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/_PtrAwIqq1D-eKWoevfpUFfUrQE>
Subject: Re: [TLS] chairs - please shutdown wiretapping discussion...
X-BeenThere: tls@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22
Precedence: list
List-Id: "This is the mailing list for the Transport Layer Security working group of the IETF." <tls.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/tls/>
List-Post: <mailto:tls@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls>, <mailto:tls-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2017 15:46:38 -0000

On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 8:44 AM, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>;
wrote:

> On 08/07/17 16:39, Tony Arcieri wrote:
> > Clearly there are echoes of the scary protocols of yesteryear, i.e.
> > Clipper/LEAP. I think if you visit Matt Green's Twitter page and check
> the
> > image header you will discover he is quite familiar with these things,
> and
> > my personal presumption would be he is not displaying this image to show
> > his undying love of the Clipper chip, although perhaps he's an especially
> > crafty and duplicitous NSA sleeper agent.
> >
>
> Reputations are irrelevant to how we evaluate this, though
> I guess can be affected by the drafts one co-authors.
>
> The relevant draft is proposing a wiretapping API for TLS.
>
> That's inconsistent with RFC2804 no matter who proposes it.


Perhaps you should respond to the other two paragraphs in my message?