Re: [TLS] the use cases for GSS-based TLS and the plea for
Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com> Sat, 21 July 2007 04:07 UTC
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From: Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams@sun.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] the use cases for GSS-based TLS and the plea for
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Martin, I definitely agree about islands of trust. If servers/acceptors/responders should be able to have credentials for multiple islands of trust[*] then we need to have them tell the client/initiator what "islands"[*] of authentication, and what mechanisms, they have credentials for. It may be too late to work federation negotiation into SPNEGO, but it makes plenty of sense to me that application protocols should handle federation and mechanism negotiation rather than pseudo-mechanisms. Here's our chance to get that right for TLS. * "worlds" or "federations" or whatever we should call it; in the Liberty, OpenID and other such communities the term used is 'federation;, so I propose we use that. Nico -- _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@lists.ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
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