Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

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From: "Ackermann, Michael" <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>
To: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
CC: Steve Fenter <steven.fenter58@gmail.com>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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I have.
I was only asking what your opinion was, based on that statement in your reply.

From: Ted Lemon [mailto:mellon@fugue.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 7:44 PM
To: Ackermann, Michael <MAckermann@bcbsm.com>
Cc: Steve Fenter <steven.fenter58@gmail.com>; tls@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

On Oct 22, 2017, at 7:16 PM, Ackermann, Michael <MAckermann@bcbsm.com<mailto:MAckermann@bcbsm.com>> wrote:
And out of curiosity,  what is the simpler protocol you are recommending?    I say out of curiosity because switching to a whole different protocol is not likely to be feasible from any perspective for large enterprises and the complex, multi-tier protocols that are prevalent.

Perhaps you should read the article that Kathleen shared earlier today?



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