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Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO

Nick Harper <nharper@google.com> Mon, 11 May 2020 22:52 UTC

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From: Nick Harper <nharper@google.com>
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:52:40 -0700
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Bikeshedding ECHO
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I see how the name ECHO can be confusing and support renaming it. All of
the proposed replacement names are fine with me.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 12:38 PM Rob Sayre <sayrer@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:10 AM Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk@akamai.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 10:51:00PM -0700, Rob Sayre wrote:
>> > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 3:43 PM Benjamin Kaduk <bkaduk=
>> > 40akamai.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Fri, May 08, 2020 at 03:38:33PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
>> > > > I rather prefer ECHO.
>> > >
>> > > Do you have some arguments to dispel the concerns about confusion,
>> other
>> > > than
>> > > your personal preference?
>> > >
>> >
>> > There's no confusion. I couldn't believe the issue was raised (the name
>> > does not matter).
>>
>> I regret to say that I completely fail to understand how you can have
>> the confidence to make such a blanket statement ("there's no confusion")
>> that
>> in principle applies to all human beings, without any apparent supporting
>> evidence.
>
>
> I don't believe it makes sense to demand "evidence" on a completely
> subjective issue.
>
> As I wrote in my other email in this thread, not very many people on the
> planet are going to need to know what this is. I haven't run into
> anyone confused as I've worked on it, and the name was presented 6 months
> ago at IETF 106.
>
>
>> If someone appears and says that they are confused, what are you
>> going to tell them?
>>
>
> That all of the proposals collide with other meanings too (ETH, ETCH,
> etc). This is one reason we expand acronyms on first use in IETF documents.
>
> I don't think there's confusion here, but just preferences and annoyances.
> The choice also doesn't matter to me.
>
> thanks,
> Rob
>
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