[TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> Mon, 14 April 2025 04:02 UTC
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Subject: [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3
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Just a reminder that this WG adoption call closes tomorrow. Cheers, spt > On Apr 1, 2025, at 8:58 AM, Sean Turner <sean@sn3rd.com> wrote: > > We are continuing with our pre-announced tranche of WG adoption calls; see [0] for more information. This time we are issuing a WG adoption call for the ML-KEM Post-Quantum Key Agreement for TLS 1.3 I-D [1]. If you support adoption and are willing to review and contribute text, please send a message to the list. If you do not support adoption of this draft, please send a message to the list and indicate why. This call will close at 2359 UTC on 15 April 2025. > > In response to other WG adoption calls, Dan Bernstein pointed out some potential IPR (see [2]), but no IPR disclosure has been made in accordance with BCP 79. Additional information is provided here; see [3]. > > BCP 79 makes this important point: > > (b) The IETF, following normal processes, can decide to use > technology for which IPR disclosures have been made if it decides > that such a use is warranted. > > WG members can take this information into account during this adoption call to determine if we should adopt these drafts. > > Reminder: This call for adoption has nothing to do with picking the mandatory-to-implement cipher suites in TLS. > > Cheers, > Joe and Sean > > [0] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/KMOTm_lE5OIAKG8_chDlRKuav7c/ > [1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement/ > [2] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/mt4_p95NZv8duZIJvJPdZV90-ZU/ > [3] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/spasm/GKFhHfBeCgf8hQQvhUcyOJ6M-kI/ >
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… John Mattsson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Thom Wiggers
- [TLS] WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantum Ke… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Russ Housley
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rebecca Guthrie
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Yaroslav Rosomakho
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sun Shuzhou
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Martin Thomson
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Kris Kwiatkowski
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Jan Schaumann
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Filippo Valsorda
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Alicja Kario
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… tirumal reddy
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-… Yaakov Stein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Joseph Birr-Pixton
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Boring cryptography, and the opposite extre… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: Boring cryptography, and the opposite e… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: Boring cryptography, and the opposite e… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Quynh Dang
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… David Adrian
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Flo D
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bas Westerbaan
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Viktor Dukhovni
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: Boring cryptography, and the … Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Paul Wouters
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Bellebaum, Thomas
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Stephen Farrell
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Ca… Andrei Popov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Rob Sayre
- [TLS] Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Ca… Deirdre Connolly
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Benjamin Kaduk
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Nico Williams
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Salz, Rich
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Loganaden Velvindron
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… D. J. Bernstein
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… Andrey Jivsov
- [TLS] Re: [EXT] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM P… S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… S Moonesamy
- [TLS] Re: WG Adoption Call for ML-KEM Post-Quantu… Sean Turner