Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id-07
Achim Kraus <achimkraus@gmx.net> Tue, 17 November 2020 09:09 UTC
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Cc: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>, Watson Ladd <watsonbladd@gmail.com>, Joseph Salowey <joe@salowey.net>, "tls@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>, draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id@ietf.org
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection-id-07
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Hi Ben, Am 17.11.20 um 07:07 schrieb Benjamin Kaduk: > On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 01:28:12PM +0100, Achim Kraus wrote: >> Hi Ekr, >> >>> As for EtM >>> >>> Encrypt-then-MAC: >>> struct { >>> uint8 marker = tls12_cid; >>> uint8 cid_len; >>> uint8 content_type = tls12_cid; \ >>> uint16 DTLSCiphertext.version; | appears on wire >>> uint64 seq_num; // includes epoch | >>> opaque cid[cid_len]; / >>> uint16 iv_length; >>> opaque IV[iv_length]; >>> uint16 enc_content_length; >>> opaque enc_content[enc_content_length]; >>> }; >>> >> >> I failed to understand the reasons behind this proposal. >> >> 1. Why should the "marker" be added, if the "content_type" is already in >> the MAC, and this special MAC is only applied for tls12_cid records. >> What is the intended benefit of that? > > This is another general hygiene item; we are preserving the invariant that > the first byte of the MAC input is the content type -- this is at present > (IIRC) invariant across all TLS versions and MtE/EtM, and not something to > change lightly. "All TLS versions"? TLS 1.2, RFC 5246 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246#section-6.2.3.1 The MAC is generated as: MAC(MAC_write_key, seq_num + TLSCompressed.type + TLSCompressed.version + TLSCompressed.length + TLSCompressed.fragment); https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5246#section-6.2.3.3 The additional authenticated data, which we denote as additional_data, is defined as follows: additional_data = seq_num + TLSCompressed.type + TLSCompressed.version + TLSCompressed.length; So, as far as I see, at least the TLS 1.2 variant doesn't do that. RFC6347 doesn't change that, so DTLS 1.2 also doesn't do that. Maybe you precise the "all" to a set of versions to make it easier to check it? best regards Achim
- [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connection… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Achim Kraus
- [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-c… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dtls-connec… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Ilari Liusvaara
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… antoine
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… antoine
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Michael D'Errico
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Achim Kraus
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [TLS] Fwd: Re: AD review of draft-ietf-tls-dt… Eric Rescorla