Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbeat-01.txt
"t.petch" <ietfc@btconnect.com> Tue, 01 February 2011 10:46 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbeat-01.txt
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Tüxen" <Michael.Tuexen@lurchi.franken.de> To: "Florian Weimer" <fweimer@bfk.de> Cc: <tls@ietf.org> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:49 PM On Jan 27, 2011, at 2:00 PM, Florian Weimer wrote: >> This document describes the Heartbeat Extension for the Transport >> Layer Security (TLS) and Datagram Transport Layer Security (DTLS) >> protocol. > > I think this paragraph > > | There MUST NOT be more than one HeartbeatRequest message in flight > | at a time. > > should be changed to: > > | Retransmissions MUST use the same payload as the original > | HeartbeatRequest message. The intention of the sentence in the ID is that you can not send multiple HeartbeatRequest out. This could overload the network since DTLS uses transport layers which do not necessary provide a congestion control. That is why you can only have one request in flight. Please note that it is not in flight anymore if the corresponding HeartbeatReply has been received or the retransmission timer fires. Michael My experience of the IESG is that they will insist on a paragraph about Congestion Control (lack of) and mitigation thereof. At the same time, I find it very hard to know what words will satisfy them; my most recent experience was with RFC6012, albeit a more complex scenario. Tom Petch > > The original requirement seems to be pretty much unimplementable > because of transport layer characteristics. Not sure what problem you are thinking about. An implementation of the ID for OpenSSL is available at http://sctp.fh-muenster.de/dtls-patches.html Best regards Michael > > -- > Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de> > BFK edv-consulting GmbH http://www.bfk.de/ > Kriegsstraße 100 tel: +49-721-96201-1 > D-76133 Karlsruhe fax: +49-721-96201-99 > _______________________________________________ > TLS mailing list > TLS@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls > _______________________________________________ TLS mailing list TLS@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tls
- [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbeat-01… Internet-Drafts
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Simon Josefsson
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Florian Weimer
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- [TLS] IANA considerations I-D Action:draft-ietf-t… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] IANA considerations I-D Action:draft-ie… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Sean Turner
- Re: [TLS] IANA considerations I-D Action:draft-ie… t.petch
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Florian Weimer
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Florian Weimer
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Florian Weimer
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Michael Tüxen
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action:draft-ietf-tls-dtls-heartbea… Sean Turner