[TLS] Re: draft-connolly-tls-mlkem-key-agreement

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Fri, 06 December 2024 22:57 UTC

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From: "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com>
To: "Scott Fluhrer (sfluhrer)" <sfluhrer=40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Andrey Jivsov <crypto@brainhub.org>, "TLS@ietf.org" <tls@ietf.org>
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Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2024 22:57:50 -0000
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As for it accidentally becoming “MTI”, well I’m pretty sure that won’t happen (barring Q-day happening and the current hybrid key exchanges no longer making sense).

Since the draft has “N” for the recommended column, I’m also pretty sanguine about it.

As for people implementing it instead of hybrid, well, the working group can help to prevent that by moving ahead with the hybrid draft (hint, hint).

Which one?  Yours or Panos et al? :)