Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00

"Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu> Mon, 23 October 2017 18:08 UTC

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Subject: Re: [TLS] Publication of draft-rhrd-tls-tls13-visibility-00
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For the chairs: I second Stephen’s request. Enough is enough.
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Regards,
Uri Blumenthal

On 10/23/17, 13:54, "TLS on behalf of Stephen Farrell" <tls-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
    
             On 23/10/17 18:30, Ackermann, Michael wrote: …

    The arguments did not convince before, and will not convince now.
    
    They did not garner rough consensus before and I'm pretty happy
    from list discussion that they don't seem to be doing so now.
    
    For the chairs:
    - *Various people have asked you to call a halt here*.
    - *I do so again*.
    - Pretty-please even :-)
    
    It seems clear this latest version of the same old bad idea
    is going nowhere but /dev/null, as is proper. Please do declare
    the discussion done.