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To: Muhammad Usama Sardar <muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de>
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I=E2=80=99d bucket this in the transparency bucket. Merging.

spt

> On Apr 21, 2026, at 19:47, Muhammad Usama Sardar =
<muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de> wrote:
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> Dear Deirdre, Joe, and Sean,
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> Following up with a new PR [0].
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> On 10.04.26 16:00, Sean Turner wrote:
>> There were other suggestions at IETF 125, but I do not remember much =
support for them.
> I believe some things don't really need any support. Some things =
already have consensus and are already part of the process ([1] explains =
this one specifically; so won't repeat here), for which we have spent =
significant amount of time a couple of years ago in debating on list, in =
meetings and even in an interim. So this needs folks to stand up and say =
that they oppose it, rather than someone supporting it.
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> TBH, I will be very surprised if there is even a single member of the =
WG who would like to get emails like [1] to be "informed" that a new =
FATT member has been added; and this is not the first time this has =
happened.
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> I am not trying to be difficult, but it's unfortunate that I have to =
repeat the same thing every time new FATT is added. I am just trying to =
think of ways to make it easier for you not to forget it. For instance, =
when you add FATT member next time, the table in [0] will remind you =
that you might like to at least inform us instead of just adding FATT =
and approving PR.
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> FATT addition is not frequent. IIRC we had two new in two years. So I =
am confident to say that it will not be much effort to maintain it in =
future. Nevertheless as the other PR, I am happy to volunteer to help =
maintain it in future.
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> It may not be super important for others, but it is for me since I =
kind of directly work with them under their guidance. I need to know who =
is in FATT; who to contact for which draft etc.
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> Thank you for your consideration in making it more transparent and =
keeping WG in the loop.
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> Sincerely,
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> -Usama
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> [0] https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/pull/20
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> [1] =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/6usy24RJ3FQS-EwS79gd-3UEqak/
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<html aria-label=3D"message body"><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" =
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body =
style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
line-break: after-white-space;">I=E2=80=99d bucket this in the =
transparency bucket. Merging.<div><br></div><div>spt<br =
id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><div>On Apr 21, 2026, at 19:47, Muhammad Usama Sardar =
&lt;muhammad_usama.sardar@tu-dresden.de&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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  <div><p>Dear Deirdre, Joe, and Sean,</p><p>Following up with a new PR =
[0].<br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 10.04.26 16:00, Sean Turner =
wrote:<span style=3D"white-space: pre-wrap">
</span></div>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" =
cite=3D"mid:143FA1BF-280A-4469-ADE0-7CAE3867DB88@sn3rd.com">
      <pre class=3D"moz-quote-pre" wrap=3D"">There were other =
suggestions at IETF 125, but I do not remember much support for =
them.</pre>
    </blockquote><p>I believe some things don't really need any support. =
Some things
      already have consensus and are already part of the process ([1]
      explains this one specifically; so won't repeat here), for which
      we have spent significant amount of time a couple of years ago in
      debating on list, in meetings and even in an interim. So this
      needs folks to stand up and say that they oppose it, rather than
      someone supporting it.<br>
    </p><p>TBH, I will be very surprised if there is even a single =
member of
      the WG who would like to get emails like [1] to be "informed" that
      a new FATT member has been added; and this is not the first time
      this has happened.<br>
    </p><p>I am not trying to be difficult, but it's unfortunate that I =
have
      to repeat the same thing every time new FATT is added. I am just
      trying to think of ways to make it easier for you not to forget
      it. For instance, when you add FATT member next time, the table in
      [0] will remind you that you might like to at least inform us
      instead of just adding FATT and approving PR.</p><p>FATT addition =
is not frequent. IIRC we had two new in two years.
      So I am confident to say that it will not be much effort to
      maintain it in future. Nevertheless as the other PR, I am happy to
      volunteer to help maintain it in future.</p><p>It may not be super =
important for others, but it is for me since
      I kind of directly work with them under their guidance. I need to
      know who is in FATT; who to contact for which draft etc.<br>
    </p><p>Thank you for your consideration in making it more =
transparent
      and keeping WG in the loop.<br>
    </p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>-Usama<br>
    </p><p>[0] <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"https://github.com/tlswg/tls-fatt/pull/20">https://github.com/tlsw=
g/tls-fatt/pull/20</a></p><p>[1]
      <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" =
href=3D"https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/6usy24RJ3FQS-EwS79gd-3UE=
qak/">https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tls/6usy24RJ3FQS-EwS79gd-3UEqa=
k/</a><br>
    </p>
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