Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-downgrade-scsv-00

Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com> Wed, 15 October 2014 11:04 UTC

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From: Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos <nmav@redhat.com>
To: Fabrice <fabrice.gautier@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:03:57 +0200
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-tls-downgrade-scsv-00
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On Wed, 2014-10-15 at 01:50 -0700, Fabrice wrote:
> >> This is an announcement for the working group last call for draft-ietf-tls-downgrade-scsv-00.  Please review the document and send your comments to the list by Friday, October 17, 2014.
> > I'm strongly against this proposal.  It severely punishes those who have correctly implemented the protocol all along by forcing them to upgrade their code base, for the benefit of those who fail to interoperate (or who want to interoperate with those who fail).
> I don't see how this force anybody to implement this or punish anybody who doesn't. 

Of course, but then what is the point of standardizing it? In any case,
I don't believe how adding support for this extension on every
implementation (in order for the protection to matter) is easier than
fixing the few broken servers that don't properly do version
negotiation. I believe there is little point for this protocol
extension, given that the work arounds for the applications that use
non-standard version negotiation are very straightforward (disable SSL
3.0).

regards,
Nikos